17 January 2013

Joseph Smith once said, "I shall be to this generation a new Muhammad." FALSE


Joseph Smith once said, "I shall be to this generation a new Muhammad."  

FALSE           

Today “I offer my opponents a bargain: if they will stop telling lies about [Joseph Smith Jr.], I will stop telling the truth about them”[i] Many ignorant and gullible people even Mormons believe too much of what is said in books and on the internet without searching it out for themselves. This is one of those stories where there were "rumors heard, truth implied, [and] facts buried.”[ii] People today seem to thrive on getting their information from eneminical sources rather than going to authorized sources. It's like they fancy themselves drinking at the end of a stream where there are ugly germs, bacteria and collected filth rather than going to the streams source wherein there is pure clean water. One good trait to have when hearing something about Joseph Smith is to first be very skeptical about what is being said. There are so many enemies of the church and so many made up stories tended to blacken Joseph Smiths character. They abuse hearsay events to the extent that even Mormons get caught up in its filth. Enemies of the LDS church love to use fictitious hearsay stories to fit their biased agenda to destroy Joseph Smith Jr. Their total outright abuse of horrendous hearsay events as proven historicity is pathetic, laughable and to be honest quite embarrassing.
            This story begins by three apostatized Mormons who under their apostasy declared that they heard Joseph Smith Jr. make the statement, "I shall be to this generation a new Muhammad." The people who claimed this were Thomas B. Marsh, John Corrill and George Walter. Lets look at the facts...



[ii] Toba Beta, My Ancestor Was an Ancient Astronaut

Joseph Smith Jr. is said to have made this statement in Missouri in the summer of 1838.

Thomas B. Marsh
1. Thomas B. Marsh: October 24, 1838
            "I have heard the prophet say that he should yet tread down his enemies, and walk over their dead bodies; that if he was not let alone he would be a second Mahomet to this generation, and that he would make it one gore of blood from the Rocky Mountains to the Atlantic Ocean; that like Mahomet, whose motto, in treating for peace, was” the Alcoran or the Sword,” so should it be eventually with us, “Joseph Smith or the Sword.” These last statements were made during the last summer."[i]
            Unfortunately this was written down "last summer" which was months after Joseph Smith was accused of saying it. What also does not help is the fact that Thomas B. Marsh left the church on October 19, 1838. That's 5 days after he left the church he makes this statement that he heard Joseph Smith say months previous. On October 24, 1838 Thomas created and signed a legal affidavit against Joseph Smith. He then accused Joseph Smith Jr. for making plans "to take the State, & he professes to his people to intend taking the U.S. & ultimately the whole world."[ii] He was later excommunicated March 17, 1839 in Quincy, Illinois. It wasn't until 1857 that Marsh repented and confessed his rebellious ways that he was reinstated as a member of the church.


2. John Corrill November 12, 1838
            "In the last, or in some public meeting, Joseph Smith, jr., said: if the people would let us alone, we would preach the gospel to them in peace; but, if they came on us to molest us, we would establish our religion by the sword; and that he would become to this generation a second Mahomet."[iii]

            This statement was made on November 12, 1838 while John was testifying in court against Joseph Smith Jr. which was several months after the proposed sermon that Joseph made. Joseph Smith said of John Corrill and others that they were, "so very ignorant that they cannot appear respectable in any decent and civilized society, and whose eyes  are full of adultery , and cannot cease from sin."[iv] John was one of the few "involved in surrendering and turning over Joseph Smith to the state militia, which Smith saw as a betrayal." John testified against Joseph Smith in the Richmond Hearings and  then left the church in 1839. 

4. George Walter Unknown

            "Soon after the dissenters were driven away from Caldwell county, I was in Far-West, in Corill’s [Corrill's] store, perhaps the last of June last, and heard Joseph Smith, jun., say, that he believed Mahomet was an inspired man, and had done a great deal of good, and that he intended to take the same course Mahomet did; that if the people would let him alone, he would, after a while, die a natural death; but if they did not, he would make it one gore of blood from the Rocky Mountains to the State of Maine. He further said, that he had, or would have, (the witness does not-remember which,) as regular an inquisition as ever was established, and as good a set of inquisitors as ever was. This conversation was had when talking about the dissenters."[v]

            Walters testimony is not even recorded until James H. Hunts 1844 book called "Mormonism: embracing the origin, rise and progress of the sect: with an examination of the Book of Mormon; also their troubles in Missouri, and final expulsion from the state." Where Hunt gets this information is not known as he ignorantly or purposefully leaves out and references as to where he got this information. James H. Hunt is also an enemy of the LDS church as his preface specifically states, "Mormonism, in our view, is a dangerous ism — dangerous to the ignorant and unwary, being calculated to mislead them in matters where the eternal welfare of the soul is at stake — dangerous to our political institutions and government, having a direct tendency to overturn the former and subvert the latter ; dangerous to the Christian religion, having made more than a hundred infidels to one true believer: hence the necessity for the present work must be apparent to every friend of truth."[vi]


Recently an anti-theist attacked Joseph Smith Jr. by refering to this same subject that we are discussing right now. So finley put by a man that calls himself DMS. "In his magnum opus about religion titled “god is not Great,” Hitchens begins his pathetic attack on Mormonism (see chapter 11, “Religion’s Corrupt Beginnings) with two straight-up, balls-to-the-wall lies, first claiming that Joseph Smith said, “I shall be to this generation a new Muhammad,” and second that he adopted some silly slogan that goes “Either the Al-Koran or the sword.” Of course, Hitchens cannot and does not cite for his readers these quotes because they do not come from Joseph Smith. In fact, to cite these quotes in a New York Times Best Seller without proper reference is, I’m pretty sure, tantamount with intellectual fraud." Quote found HERE



[i] Affidavit of Thomas B. Marsh, Richmond, Missouri, October 24, 1838, Document Containing the Correspondence, Orders, &C. in Relation to the Disturbances with the Mormons; and the Evidence Given Before the Hon. Austin A. King, Judge of the Fifth Judicial Circuit of the State of Missouri, at the Court-House in Richmond, in a Criminal Court of Inquiry, Begun November 12, 1838, on the Trial of Joseph Smith, Jr., and Others for High Treason and Other Crimes Against the State (Fayette, Missouri: Boon’s Lick Democrat, 1841), 58-59. .  in the footnote of HC 3:167-68, Roberts inserted a John Taylor sermon, given apparently in the late 1870s, in which Taylor denied the contents of Marsh’s affidavit. 
[ii] Document, p. 57
[iii] Testimony of John Corrill, Document, 111.
[iv] History of the Church 3:232
[vi] Mormonism: EMBRACING THE ORIGIN, RISE AND PROGRESS OF THE SECT, WITH AN EXAMINATION OF THE BOOK OF MORMON; PREFACE, James H. Hunt




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